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		<title>By: Theo</title>
		<link>http://www.aspieteacher.com/2009/08/why-cant-they-understand-that-im-a-girl/#comment-573</link>
		<dc:creator>Theo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Dec 2009 14:45:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve been told most of my life that I had the mind of a man! lol! I too spent alot of time being mistaken as a boy when I was in school. Not now though. I dress up for work, and I have a love for renissance style blouses, so no one now can mistake me for male. I still am told I have the mindset of a man though.

I hate shopping, I deplore all things that have to do with chick flicks, romance novels are NOT novels and I refuse to even be in thier genreal vacinity, I get angry around pastel colors, and I would rather vomit then spen one minute listening to useless gossip about who did what with who. Give me my subjects of ancient history and myth over that any day!!

I can&#039;t handle being around, girly girls for very long. The conversation level goes down very quickly, and I swear a few of my brain cells die every minute I have to listen to that nonsense! 

On the other hand, I am a jewlery junkie, as said before I love reniassance clothing, even right no I have an elaborate blouse on with some old timey jewlery. And I do enjoy wearing make-up. What I hate is how long it takes to get it on! lol!

So don&#039;t feel bad. We all like what we like. And you are most definately a girl. People can just be dumb.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve been told most of my life that I had the mind of a man! lol! I too spent alot of time being mistaken as a boy when I was in school. Not now though. I dress up for work, and I have a love for renissance style blouses, so no one now can mistake me for male. I still am told I have the mindset of a man though.</p>
<p>I hate shopping, I deplore all things that have to do with chick flicks, romance novels are NOT novels and I refuse to even be in thier genreal vacinity, I get angry around pastel colors, and I would rather vomit then spen one minute listening to useless gossip about who did what with who. Give me my subjects of ancient history and myth over that any day!!</p>
<p>I can&#8217;t handle being around, girly girls for very long. The conversation level goes down very quickly, and I swear a few of my brain cells die every minute I have to listen to that nonsense! </p>
<p>On the other hand, I am a jewlery junkie, as said before I love reniassance clothing, even right no I have an elaborate blouse on with some old timey jewlery. And I do enjoy wearing make-up. What I hate is how long it takes to get it on! lol!</p>
<p>So don&#8217;t feel bad. We all like what we like. And you are most definately a girl. People can just be dumb.</p>
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		<title>By: Matthew Smith</title>
		<link>http://www.aspieteacher.com/2009/08/why-cant-they-understand-that-im-a-girl/#comment-570</link>
		<dc:creator>Matthew Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Dec 2009 22:22:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just want to second what M said above.  I have the same issues he has regarding &quot;guy talk&quot; and have done since I was at boarding school (12 to 16, 1989 to 1993).  Actually, I often find it rather intimidating.

A few years ago, I was at a computer event in the Midlands, linked to a now-defunct Linux-related podcast.  The presentations were great, but the climax of the event was a live version of the podcast.  The problem was that it contained virtually no on-topic content and a whole lot of smutty talk.  I complained about it &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.blogistan.co.uk/blog/mt.php/2005/06/26/lugradio_live&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;on my blog&lt;/a&gt; and received comments to the effect that I should listen to another show instead.

The thing is, I felt the need to mention that there were ladies present (there were a few, but the audience was overwhelmingly male) to justify my dislike of that kind of talk.  I&#039;m not a prude and don&#039;t mind a few F-words, but I shouldn&#039;t have to mention ladies when I object to that kind of talk in a completely inappropriate place.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just want to second what M said above.  I have the same issues he has regarding &#8220;guy talk&#8221; and have done since I was at boarding school (12 to 16, 1989 to 1993).  Actually, I often find it rather intimidating.</p>
<p>A few years ago, I was at a computer event in the Midlands, linked to a now-defunct Linux-related podcast.  The presentations were great, but the climax of the event was a live version of the podcast.  The problem was that it contained virtually no on-topic content and a whole lot of smutty talk.  I complained about it <a href="http://www.blogistan.co.uk/blog/mt.php/2005/06/26/lugradio_live" rel="nofollow">on my blog</a> and received comments to the effect that I should listen to another show instead.</p>
<p>The thing is, I felt the need to mention that there were ladies present (there were a few, but the audience was overwhelmingly male) to justify my dislike of that kind of talk.  I&#8217;m not a prude and don&#8217;t mind a few F-words, but I shouldn&#8217;t have to mention ladies when I object to that kind of talk in a completely inappropriate place.</p>
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		<title>By: spunkykitty</title>
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		<dc:creator>spunkykitty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Oct 2009 14:04:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>and whoops, yes i wear my hair long and short and all sorts of ways... and yes i love sneakers of all kinds... and no i do not wear nail polish on my hands becos it inevitably melts with the paints i use, and i keep my finger nails very very short becos i play musical instruments... but i love nice clothes and putting things together in ways most women wld never dare to do... AND carry it off with panache too... what does that make me? which &#039;group&#039; then wld i belong to? none at all... 

btw temple grandin has a distinct sense of style, and even tho i&#039;d never wear what she wears, i wld never dare say she lacks style... it&#039;s just her own style that is all... and that in itself is worth celebrating - our own styles...

follow our own drum beats, gals! and to hell with what cruel things ppl say... jealous or just stupidly narrowminded, who cares?... easier said than done, but it&#039;s our own perceptions of ourselves that make the difference in the end... and we are worth the struggle for...

bravo to female aspies of ALL shapes sizes and manifestations!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>and whoops, yes i wear my hair long and short and all sorts of ways&#8230; and yes i love sneakers of all kinds&#8230; and no i do not wear nail polish on my hands becos it inevitably melts with the paints i use, and i keep my finger nails very very short becos i play musical instruments&#8230; but i love nice clothes and putting things together in ways most women wld never dare to do&#8230; AND carry it off with panache too&#8230; what does that make me? which &#8216;group&#8217; then wld i belong to? none at all&#8230; </p>
<p>btw temple grandin has a distinct sense of style, and even tho i&#8217;d never wear what she wears, i wld never dare say she lacks style&#8230; it&#8217;s just her own style that is all&#8230; and that in itself is worth celebrating &#8211; our own styles&#8230;</p>
<p>follow our own drum beats, gals! and to hell with what cruel things ppl say&#8230; jealous or just stupidly narrowminded, who cares?&#8230; easier said than done, but it&#8217;s our own perceptions of ourselves that make the difference in the end&#8230; and we are worth the struggle for&#8230;</p>
<p>bravo to female aspies of ALL shapes sizes and manifestations!</p>
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		<title>By: spunkykitty</title>
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		<dc:creator>spunkykitty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Oct 2009 13:57:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i AM a girl - and so we all female aspies ARE! i hate it when ppl use appearance to judge each other, but that is life aint it?

i was too often mistaken as a boy in my childhood, just becos i played with &#039;boy toys&#039; - chemistry sets instead of make up palettes, caterpillars instead of fluffy soft toys, paintboxes instead of doll houses etc - but nobody can tell that by looking at me now... becos what they see is a well put together glamourous female... why? perhaps it started becos i wanted to &#039;discover&#039; my own femininity, but soon it became an artistic project - i m an artist after all, always hv been... and turning myself into a fashionista glamour queen has all been part of the artistic journey more than keeping up appearances... and why ever not?

just as nobody has the right to make unkind remarks abt any woman / girl who isnt into dressing up, nobody shd judge any book by it&#039;s cover...

i know for a fact MOST women dress up to attract the opposite sex or to compete with each other, but for me, that means nothing... i dress up becos it is a wonderful part of my life, to put things together, colours, forms, shapes, textures, effects... and yes, i hv even been interviewed on tv for my sense of style... 

what many (not all) NTs dont see is that we each bring with us different wonderful things to the world we live in - if we can look beneath the surfaces, dare to turn over a few stones, and look at things with different eyes...

but how many of us DARE to do so? either way?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i AM a girl &#8211; and so we all female aspies ARE! i hate it when ppl use appearance to judge each other, but that is life aint it?</p>
<p>i was too often mistaken as a boy in my childhood, just becos i played with &#8216;boy toys&#8217; &#8211; chemistry sets instead of make up palettes, caterpillars instead of fluffy soft toys, paintboxes instead of doll houses etc &#8211; but nobody can tell that by looking at me now&#8230; becos what they see is a well put together glamourous female&#8230; why? perhaps it started becos i wanted to &#8216;discover&#8217; my own femininity, but soon it became an artistic project &#8211; i m an artist after all, always hv been&#8230; and turning myself into a fashionista glamour queen has all been part of the artistic journey more than keeping up appearances&#8230; and why ever not?</p>
<p>just as nobody has the right to make unkind remarks abt any woman / girl who isnt into dressing up, nobody shd judge any book by it&#8217;s cover&#8230;</p>
<p>i know for a fact MOST women dress up to attract the opposite sex or to compete with each other, but for me, that means nothing&#8230; i dress up becos it is a wonderful part of my life, to put things together, colours, forms, shapes, textures, effects&#8230; and yes, i hv even been interviewed on tv for my sense of style&#8230; </p>
<p>what many (not all) NTs dont see is that we each bring with us different wonderful things to the world we live in &#8211; if we can look beneath the surfaces, dare to turn over a few stones, and look at things with different eyes&#8230;</p>
<p>but how many of us DARE to do so? either way?</p>
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		<title>By: M</title>
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		<dc:creator>M</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Sep 2009 01:23:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i posted this at &quot;the aspie life&quot;, i&#039;ll put it here as well:

i struggle with the guy version of this constantly. it&#039;s been a serious barrier to the development of friendships, relationships. 

for example, i am heterosexual...have an active libido...but i loathe &quot;guy talk&quot;, absolutely hate it. and what happens when a group of guys are sitting around, discussing their sexual history, conquests? I sit...bored...trying not to overtly sigh. it&#039;s beyond juvenine, so I can never play along. 

anyway, if you&#039;re a guy and you fail to contribute to these conversations, you&#039;re generally perceived to be either a loser or gay or both. 

there&#039;s a certain vernacular guys employ when expressing status; and reciprocation of that vernacular is expected. failing to reciprocate results in punishment of some sort, usually exclusion, but always pejorative labeling ( loser, gay). 

my conversation patterns never match up...which is great, i have zero interest in sounding like a juvenile moron, but the consequences are frustrating. the fact that i have to be verbally attacked, excluded, just because i failed to grunt and express the correct &quot;guy&quot; traits during one of their masculinity-affirming rituals. 

this also pops up in that, not doing well socially, i.e. failing to maintain relationships, creates a certain stigma. i did not have girlfriends in my teens, during college, during my entire 20&#039;s. very socially isolated. people misinterpreted this. guys are supposed to, if not date, at least talk about women, just generally express attraction for the opposite sex. my conversation never includes that sort of thing, as mentioned, it always feel creepy to talk that way, even though it&#039;s socially acceptable...and my social deficits kept me from dating. so...since i was alone, not dating...and not breaking out the guy talk... many people assumed i was gay. had to hear this from family, friends, which was embarassing...it was particularly painful, one thanksgiving, when a cousin took me aside and, with some hostility, asked if i was a &quot;fag&quot;. it hurt, i was really angry about this. just frustrated with the stupidity of others, feeling trapped in this weird situation where i&#039;m being punished for lacking signals that have no inherent value. 

so. from my experience, asperger&#039;s has a huge impact on gender traits, how they&#039;re expressed, how they&#039;re percieved by others. 

thanks for focusing on this topic.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i posted this at &#8220;the aspie life&#8221;, i&#8217;ll put it here as well:</p>
<p>i struggle with the guy version of this constantly. it&#8217;s been a serious barrier to the development of friendships, relationships. </p>
<p>for example, i am heterosexual&#8230;have an active libido&#8230;but i loathe &#8220;guy talk&#8221;, absolutely hate it. and what happens when a group of guys are sitting around, discussing their sexual history, conquests? I sit&#8230;bored&#8230;trying not to overtly sigh. it&#8217;s beyond juvenine, so I can never play along. </p>
<p>anyway, if you&#8217;re a guy and you fail to contribute to these conversations, you&#8217;re generally perceived to be either a loser or gay or both. </p>
<p>there&#8217;s a certain vernacular guys employ when expressing status; and reciprocation of that vernacular is expected. failing to reciprocate results in punishment of some sort, usually exclusion, but always pejorative labeling ( loser, gay). </p>
<p>my conversation patterns never match up&#8230;which is great, i have zero interest in sounding like a juvenile moron, but the consequences are frustrating. the fact that i have to be verbally attacked, excluded, just because i failed to grunt and express the correct &#8220;guy&#8221; traits during one of their masculinity-affirming rituals. </p>
<p>this also pops up in that, not doing well socially, i.e. failing to maintain relationships, creates a certain stigma. i did not have girlfriends in my teens, during college, during my entire 20&#8217;s. very socially isolated. people misinterpreted this. guys are supposed to, if not date, at least talk about women, just generally express attraction for the opposite sex. my conversation never includes that sort of thing, as mentioned, it always feel creepy to talk that way, even though it&#8217;s socially acceptable&#8230;and my social deficits kept me from dating. so&#8230;since i was alone, not dating&#8230;and not breaking out the guy talk&#8230; many people assumed i was gay. had to hear this from family, friends, which was embarassing&#8230;it was particularly painful, one thanksgiving, when a cousin took me aside and, with some hostility, asked if i was a &#8220;fag&#8221;. it hurt, i was really angry about this. just frustrated with the stupidity of others, feeling trapped in this weird situation where i&#8217;m being punished for lacking signals that have no inherent value. </p>
<p>so. from my experience, asperger&#8217;s has a huge impact on gender traits, how they&#8217;re expressed, how they&#8217;re percieved by others. </p>
<p>thanks for focusing on this topic.</p>
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		<title>By: My Reply to &#8220;Why Can&#8217;t They Understand That I&#8217;m A Girl&#8221; &#171; Eileen</title>
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		<dc:creator>My Reply to &#8220;Why Can&#8217;t They Understand That I&#8217;m A Girl&#8221; &#171; Eileen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Sep 2009 18:30:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: GIDer</title>
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		<dc:creator>GIDer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Sep 2009 17:02:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I come from the male side of the fence on this one. I received the same sorts of remarks about not being male enough when I was younger. What especially struck me is how you talked about the comments comming from peole at church.  My experience was the same.  Except Church was the only social circle away from the immediate family.  I got little support from my parents. My father did not comment when people either just did not acknowledge me talked about how I was nice and cute.  I remember my mother joking that she had wanted a girl.  It has effected me deeply and I fight with identity issues even 30 years later.  I have found that I some times attempt to over compensate for my fears of not being man a enough or quite honestly the sexual confusion that all this has created.  So I have not taken care of myself and have dressed very much like a slob for many years. It has roots in me not really liking myself.  Sometimes there are some tough questions to be asked about the way we present ourselves.  If this is not a pride issue for you as it is for me then I aplogize. I would suggest a little experiment. Dress nice not more girly or barbie and not more male either.  See what it does for you to present yourselve as something more. I am surprised how mch different I feel practicing grooming and wearing newer clothes.  I do however worry that peole will see though me.  But I am so extreme they are proably just happy that I wear more then one set of clothes a week.  My post seems like it may be more about me then you but I hope it helps somehow.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I come from the male side of the fence on this one. I received the same sorts of remarks about not being male enough when I was younger. What especially struck me is how you talked about the comments comming from peole at church.  My experience was the same.  Except Church was the only social circle away from the immediate family.  I got little support from my parents. My father did not comment when people either just did not acknowledge me talked about how I was nice and cute.  I remember my mother joking that she had wanted a girl.  It has effected me deeply and I fight with identity issues even 30 years later.  I have found that I some times attempt to over compensate for my fears of not being man a enough or quite honestly the sexual confusion that all this has created.  So I have not taken care of myself and have dressed very much like a slob for many years. It has roots in me not really liking myself.  Sometimes there are some tough questions to be asked about the way we present ourselves.  If this is not a pride issue for you as it is for me then I aplogize. I would suggest a little experiment. Dress nice not more girly or barbie and not more male either.  See what it does for you to present yourselve as something more. I am surprised how mch different I feel practicing grooming and wearing newer clothes.  I do however worry that peole will see though me.  But I am so extreme they are proably just happy that I wear more then one set of clothes a week.  My post seems like it may be more about me then you but I hope it helps somehow.</p>
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		<title>By: eileen</title>
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		<dc:creator>eileen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Sep 2009 00:10:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>oh my!
You hit a nerve.
I don&#039;t know whether to cry or throw up.
This is a sucky reason to feel like a loser, like lower class, as if somehow one is dirt but that&#039;s how it feels.
To this day whenever I have to walk past groups of girls, I cringe. I want to disappear. I probably don&#039;t have to tell you how it feels if they happen to laugh as I pass.
It makes me feel disgusting.
.-= eileen&#180;s last blog ..&lt;a href=&quot;http://heresthething-e.blogspot.com/2009/09/my-reply-to-why-you-need-mentor-at-work.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;My Reply to &quot;Why You Need A Mentor At Work&quot;&lt;/a&gt; =-.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>oh my!<br />
You hit a nerve.<br />
I don&#8217;t know whether to cry or throw up.<br />
This is a sucky reason to feel like a loser, like lower class, as if somehow one is dirt but that&#8217;s how it feels.<br />
To this day whenever I have to walk past groups of girls, I cringe. I want to disappear. I probably don&#8217;t have to tell you how it feels if they happen to laugh as I pass.<br />
It makes me feel disgusting.<br />
<span class="cluv"> eileen&#180;s last blog ..<a href="http://heresthething-e.blogspot.com/2009/09/my-reply-to-why-you-need-mentor-at-work.html" rel="nofollow">My Reply to &quot;Why You Need A Mentor At Work&quot;</a> </span></p>
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		<title>By: Sandy</title>
		<link>http://www.aspieteacher.com/2009/08/why-cant-they-understand-that-im-a-girl/#comment-415</link>
		<dc:creator>Sandy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Aug 2009 11:16:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s not really that I actually look gender-neutral or ambiguous, but more that I&#039;m a little too tomboyish for the barbies in some social circles.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s not really that I actually look gender-neutral or ambiguous, but more that I&#8217;m a little too tomboyish for the barbies in some social circles.</p>
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		<title>By: Joeymom</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joeymom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Aug 2009 04:36:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey, wait, i don&#039;t wear nail polish, blowdry my hair, or wear pink. I have never thought of myself as unfeminine. Well, I guess being a Smithie helps, but... My son has an aide at OT who is a wonderful, beautiful woman, but her choices mean that she is very gender-neutral- it is hard to determine, from looking at her, if she is male or female. They actually talk about this with kids in social skills groups, in discussing gender cues and how to ask someone about gender-related topics (ie, how do you ask, &quot;Are you a boy or a girl?&quot;) We realized my son actually had difficulty with gender cues- he just doesn&#039;t care whether someone is a boy or a girl, as long as they are nice. 

And I don&#039;t really see much wrong with that.
.-= Joeymom&#180;s last blog ..&lt;a href=&quot;http://joeyandymom.blogspot.com/2009/08/were-back.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;We&#039;re back&lt;/a&gt; =-.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey, wait, i don&#8217;t wear nail polish, blowdry my hair, or wear pink. I have never thought of myself as unfeminine. Well, I guess being a Smithie helps, but&#8230; My son has an aide at OT who is a wonderful, beautiful woman, but her choices mean that she is very gender-neutral- it is hard to determine, from looking at her, if she is male or female. They actually talk about this with kids in social skills groups, in discussing gender cues and how to ask someone about gender-related topics (ie, how do you ask, &#8220;Are you a boy or a girl?&#8221;) We realized my son actually had difficulty with gender cues- he just doesn&#8217;t care whether someone is a boy or a girl, as long as they are nice. </p>
<p>And I don&#8217;t really see much wrong with that.<br />
<span class="cluv"> Joeymom&#180;s last blog ..<a href="http://joeyandymom.blogspot.com/2009/08/were-back.html" rel="nofollow">We&#8217;re back</a> </span></p>
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